Joel on IT Conversations

I finally finished listening to Doug Kaye's interview with Joel Spolsky.
First of all let me say that I really enjoy Joel's column Joel on Software, and find most of it's articles very enlightening and agreeable. Having this out of the way let's get to the things I found interesting:

• Joel mentions having been among 12 product managers of the original Excel team which had about 50 Developers at that time. That seems a lot to me and IMHO explains why Microsoft Products come up so crappy. He is talking about the original Excel here not the feature overladen beast it is now.
• Joel's commentary suggest Microsoft now is in an over bureaucratic Titanic-esque employer, which is consistent with this comparison. Maybe Microsoft really has seen its peak and demise is near... (I can be so naive :-) )
• Are you standing? FogBUGZ is written in VBScript. What a choice. Moreover Joel calls a program that can convert their VBScripts into PHP a "compiler".